Welcome sally gilbert2. Glad you can join us today. Hope you have a microphone and are in good voice! [SandraRamdialNSU] Thank you - I think I am [Dorothy Potter PCC] No microphone today. Just listening. [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Hi folks, I don't have a mike, so I'll have to participate through the keyboard [barbara gaubeca] Hi everyone, I am glad to be back for more of the great information these sessions provide [Anne Zald] Glad to see you this morning Jon [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] thank you. It's great to be here. [bonniemorrisngc] Bonnie Morris and Julie Housknecht have no microphone today. [Denise Young NGCSU] we can launch master volume control for the computer but at the bottom of the main window we can do some raising of the volume there [Dorothy Potter PCC] Will someone speak so we can check our audtio? [barbara gaubeca] Yes the menu options are there. I do not have a microphone todaythough [Denise Young NGCSU] alt+shift+M [sally gilbert2] sounds good to me! [Denise Young NGCSU] check for a column that says "Line In" and adjust the volume there [Dorothy Potter PCC] Haven't heard anyone yet. Please try again. [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Sally Gilbert is now speaking, so you should be hearing her voice. [SteveGilbert TLTG2] One way to notice that someone has permission to use the microphone - and is likely to be speaking - is to notice a small blue/green "cloud" to the left of someone's name in the list just below here! [Dorothy Potter PCC] I hear voices! Thanks. [Anne Zald] Dorothy don't admit that in other contexts! [Dorothy Potter PCC] I did it on purpose to see if you were all alert. [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Hi, everyone! I'm from Marymount College in Palos Verdes, California. We are a private, two year, liberal arts institution. [Brian Lym HUNTER] Brian Lym at Hunter College in New York City. [sally gilbert2] Sally Gilbert TLT Group Takoma Park [SteveGilbert TLTG2] These days, with small cell phone ear sets, it is no longer unseemly to appear to hear voices - and to respond to them - at any time! [Julie Davis] Julie Davis Golden West Community College Huntington Beach, CA [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] Hi I'm Marianne Eimer from SUNY Fredonia, a 4 yr liberal arts college in Western NY [Nikki Julian Marymount College] Hi, I am Nikki Julian and I am from Marymount College in Rancho Palos Verdes [SandraRamdialNSU] Hi, [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] I am Cyndy Davis, and with New Hampshire Community Technical College in Laconia. [Carol Reichardt ECSU] Hello, Carol Reichardt from Eastern CT State University. I'm glad to be here. [susansmithHarkerSchl] I am Sue Smith. I am a librarian in a college prep high school in San Jose, CA. [Navjit Brar - CPSLO] Hi: I am Navjit Brar from Cal Polytechnic State University Library. Look forward to this online session. [Melissa Wong Marymount College] It is gloomy here today. Don't be too envious. [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Hello everyone, I'm Jon Fernald, Coordinator of Library Services at the College of the Desert, Palm Desert, CA [SandraRamdialNSU] My name is Sandra Ramdial and I am with Nova Southeastern University in Florida [bethany wilkes] Hi all, I am with the University of the Virgin Isalnds. [Peggy Burge UPS] Hello, everyone--I'm at the University of Puget Sound in Tacoma. I'm excited to be participating in this workshop. [barbara gaubeca] Barbara Gaubeca, referemce librarian, Palo Verde College in Blythe California [Sarah Kolk] Hi, I'm Sarah Kolk - from Calvin College (Grand Rapids, MI) - four-year college. [Dorothy Potter PCC] From a two year public community college. [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Please let us know if you would like some suggestions about making the most of having a small group together during these sessions; better yet, tell us what you discover that works well in this environment! [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Does anyone need the phone option - as a way of hearing audio portion? [Anne Zald] Notice that above the chat box is a list of all registrants - you can send 'private' chat messages to individuals [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Some of our best friends are librarians... [Anne Zald] but would you let your daughter marry one? [SteveGilbert TLTG2] For sure! [sally gilbert2] done with Lisa's [SteveGilbert TLTG2] sorry we lost AAHE! [SteveGilbert TLTG2] SteveE likes to help people recognize that most have been doing "assessment" almost constantly, but perhaps rather informally or uncounsciously or unintentionally! [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Tho4 - do you have a question or comment? [Melissa Wong Marymount College] A lot of these overlap for us! [tho4] i am still working on trying to hear you [tho4] no sound here [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Yes, doing so [deb gilchrist] i agree melissa - - they are not discrete [SteveGilbert TLTG2] Tho4 - please see if you can read my private messae to you and reply from there so we don't interfere with others' experience [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Deb, the first one on academic success and the third on academic success after transfer, especially (not the same, but one flows from the other, I think). [Carolyn Vickrey] Need to understand the values at your particular institution. [SandraHusseyGU] Whose values? What are our values? [Melissa Wong Marymount College] I've had workshops on assessment with Deb before and really take to heart her reminder that we focus our assessment efforts on what is important to us (even if that is the harder stuff to assess). [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Do our educational values include information literacy? What is information literacy? [Amy Adams SEu] One important educational value is lifelong learning - and information literacy ties right into that. [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Yes. [Michael Simmons] find common ground between institutional goals and IL goals [Melissa Wong Marymount College] It is also a reminder to go back to our institution's mission statement for direction -- what is it our college hopes to achieve and how does the library support that mission? [Nikki Julian Marymount College] I think that this means we need to identify what is most important for the students to learn. This should tie into the library goals along with the vision of the college [Peggy Burge UPS] At our institution, the desired outcome is to produce citizens capable of critically evaluating and creatively solving the world's problems. In this context, IL competencies are crucial. [NancySosnaLakeForest] The quality of information discovered by students depends upon information literacy [susansmithHarkerSchl] Maybe a focus more on how students learn not what they learn. [Stephanie Graves - SIUC] we have to consider not only what the institution wants the students to learn (educational values), but also what the students themselves want to learn. What are the students' educational values? [Denise Young NGCSU] We value leadership, lifelong learning, and global perspectives. We believe information literacy is tied to these values [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Stephanie, really good point! [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] It is important for the librarians to be part of the institutional planning committees [NancySosnaLakeForest] Raising awareness of the impact of information literacy via assessment outcomes [deb gilchrist] how can we influence the values that students develop about their educational experience? [Stephanie Mathson CMU] Yes, librarians should be about of institutional planning, but I think we're often overlooked! [Amy Adams SEu] Yes, librarians should be on academic committees - curriculum committee and so on. [susansmithHarkerSchl] Info Lit (life long learning) must be part of the mission. [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Being leaders on campus in assessment and program review (leading by example and leading/supporting workshops for others). [Michael Simmons] The library should initiate the discussion [Denise Young NGCSU] a collaborative role with the faculty [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] raising institutional awareness of information literacy issues [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] I have found that it is very important to develop those personal relationships to develop into the institutional relationship [Stephanie Mathson CMU] As Amy suggested, we should serve on academic committees--when we can. If librarians aren't faculty members, however, such service might be a challenge. [Amy Adams SEu] It is hard to "initiate" discussion if the library is not represented along with other academic departments [Amy Adams SEu] You are right Stephanie! [Denise Young NGCSU] Multiple methods of assessment over time throughout the curriculum [NancySosnaLakeForest] It's complicated! [Michael Simmons] assessment should be based on real-world research situations [Carolyn Vickrey] Means that IL assessment is an ongoing process and needs to be approached in mulitple ways. [susansmithHarkerSchl] Assessment must take many forms. [bethany wilkes] Perhaps IL should be assessed at different points of a student's academic career. [Melissa Wong Marymount College] "Over time" is a challenge for us, as a two year school. I think it is our next big challenge -- to measure student learning at the point they leave us. [Amy Adams SEu] It helps when faculty see Information as integrated into each discipline [Stephanie Mathson CMU] Bingo, Amy. [Sharyn UMiami] There is no one best way. Info Lit instruction and assessment needs to be contextural. [Peggy Burge UPS] Our college has a program for evaluating student writing through student portfolios. Wouldn't it be great if we could also evaluate IL competencies through these portfolios? [Amy Adams SEu] Melissa, we will just be starting a process of evaluating students at the freshman and senior level. [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] I think we need to create our IL lesson plans based on Bloom's taxonomy in order to find out in our assessment if the learning is complex [Amy Adams SEu] Yes Marianne! [Melissa Wong Marymount College] We face pragmatic challenges -- recognizing that good assessment multidimensional, etc., challenges us to do a LOT more assessment than we have time for (that is, how to balance rich, varied assessment with just teaching and doing reference, coll dev, etc). [Stephanie Graves - SIUC] Yes, often assessment is the first thing to go when we are all so busy. [deb gilchrist] I agree it is all a challenging balance with time - - what will we give up doing in order to fit it in? [Sarah Kolk] Many faculty members feel they are already being over-assessed. It's a challenge to propose yet another form of assessment. [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] strong collaboration with faculty/course integration of IL competency skills [SandraRamdialNSU] Librarians need to be recognized as legitimate providers of information by faculty for learning to be totally successful [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] I have volunteered to be a member of different groups investigating assessment, curriculum, accreditation prep, etc., to try to integrate info lit throughout the institution. [Nikki Julian Marymount College] Marianne - I agree. You have to have close collaboration with Faculty [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] for us, that collaboration is essential - without it, we have no "voice" [Amy Adams SEu] We have been able to make Information Literacy a "Technology Requirement" for all faculty. [SandraHusseyGU] Could assessment help us make decisions about what to focus on? [Michael Simmons] deb, your voice is quite faint [Anne Zald] better deb [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] Is there really a "the" outcomes design? Isn't it all different for each institution or program? [Stephanie Mathson CMU] Collaborate with discipline faculty in order to integrate information literacy into a wide variety of courses. [susansmithHarkerSchl] Teach info lit skills in context. [Stephanie Graves - SIUC] ...in order to integrate IL into the already existing curriculum [Michael Simmons] . . . get their buy-in, so they have ownership of the initiative. [Dorothy Potter PCC] In order to put IL skills into practice [Melissa Wong Marymount College] ...integrate IL into each course in a meaningful way [Amy Adams SEu] assist them in incorporating Information Literacy skills into their curriculum [NancySosnaLakeForest] in order to give students the information literacy skills they will need to contribute positively to society in the future [Michael Simmons] . . . understand more about subject-specific research skills, to integrate into the IL initiative [Carolyn Vickrey] need to know the specific assignments and goals for their courses [bonniemorrisngc] form a partnership of teaching and learning [Navjit Brar - CPSLO] integrate IL needs into the curriculum using one Course management system [Nikki Julian Marymount College] ... proved IL instruction that is integrated into the framework of the course [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] collaborate with discipline faculty in order to reach students in all areas so that the best subject resources and search strategies are learned by the students, leading to an improved academic succes [Denise Young NGCSU] ...enhance student information literacy [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] ... reinforce in our faculty the significance of IL in the learning careers of our students [Melissa Wong Marymount College] This reminds me of the "7 why's" exercise, where you keep asking yourself why,why, why. [Sharyn UMiami] couldn't there be more than one reason/outcome? [Brian Lym HUNTER] in order to contextualize information literacy. [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Five sounds more reasonable -- I've probably mis-remembered what Beth taught me (don't tell her)! [Carol Reichardt ECSU] Great book: An Action Plan for Outcomes Assessment in your Library, Peter Hernon. Explains the difference between objectives and outcomes and provides some good verbs, etc. [Anne Zald] 5/7 whys is a technique to push ourselves to articulate our assumptions, particularly in a way that is meaningful to many stakeholders and to institutional goals [sally gilbert2] really important distinction! [sally gilbert2] between measurable and judge-able [Michael Simmons] fading out again, deb [Michael Simmons] [SteveGilbertUpstairs] Sabrina, can you hear now ? [Sharyn UMiami] you have! I'm just curious as to why you have to pick just one "in order to". Or am I confusing objectives with outcomes? [sally gilbert2] keeps outcomes and whys focused and then they can be more measurable or judgeable [SteveGilbertUpstairs] The more complex and multi-faceted the activit7y, the more likely that a considerable variety of objectives and outcomes will be useful - some quite quantifiable, measurable, some more ineffable [Peggy Burge UPS] When delineating who is responsible for what role, do you have any advice about avoiding "turf wars"??? [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Where will the Powerpoint presentation be posted? There's a lot of info. here and I'd like to review it. [Anne Zald] workshop website will be repository for ppt and recording of the sessions http://oli.tltgroup.org/2007/spring/ILAssessment/workshop.htm [SteveGilbertUpstairs] The real point is to elicit information that enables you to make effective decisions about 1. Whether what you're doing is accomplishing what you hope AND 2. How to improve what you're doing [SteveGilbertUpstairs] You will have direct access to a full recording of this session, the audio component, the slides, .. and the transcript of this text chat interchange. [Anne Zald] use those mics as well [Dorothy Potter PCC] Is a password necessary to access the workshop website to see the ppt, etc.? [SteveGilbertUpstairs] No [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Where is the blog? [Sharyn UMiami] Getting buy-in from teaching faculty may be a problem at my institution, since ILI is not currently embedded in institutional competencies [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] what we're encountering is a confusion of terms on our campus -- faculty are indicating they want IL integrated into their courses, but are calling it other names.. [SteveGilbertUpstairs] The TLT-SWG blog and several other related (free) info resources are available from www.tltgroup.org/tlt-swg.htm [Sharyn UMiami] we are attempting to incorporate ILI, but perhaps not using this terminology, in our first-year experience program. [Anne Zald] language I've seen related to IL - ICT, Info Fluency, competencies, computer literacy [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] sounds like a great idea [Anne Zald] Steve are you talking? Cant hear you [Anne Zald] yes [deb gilchrist] yes [Stephanie Graves - SIUC] yes [Anne Zald] Sharyn,, what language are you using in your 1st year program? [deb gilchrist] !!!!! to steve's comments [Sharyn UMiami] it's broadbased - computer/information, but the literacy component is not there yet. However we are also involved in regional accreditation and that is another impetus that will help us here [NancySosnaLakeForest] Please post the blog address [Anne Zald] you'll find blog linked to the workshop website [Anne Zald] workshop website and blog [Anne Zald] http://oli.tltgroup.org/2007/spring/ILAssessment/workshop.htm [SteveGilbertUpstairs] What a nice example of a simple, quick, useful kind of assessment! [Anne Zald] Questions, comments? [Melissa Wong Marymount College] I found the workshop website, but I don't see the blog (sorry to be obtuse). [SandraRamdialNSU] Thank you very much - this has been informative and helpful [SteveGilbertUpstairs] As usual, as expceted, this session has already been even better than expected! [JonFernaldCOD Palm Desert CA] Thank you for an excellent start. [Sharyn UMiami] thanks - good session - gotta run to a meeting see you next week. [barbara gaubeca] [Anne Zald] If blog not there yet it will be soon. I'll consult with Steve and Sally [SteveGilbertUpstairs] www.tltgroup.org/tlt-swg.htm for blog [Stephanie Mathson CMU] I'm looking forward to next week. Thanks! [Peggy Burge UPS] Thanks so much--I've already got some great ideas for leading a workshop for library staff later this summer! [MarianneEimerSUNYFredonia] thanks for the new ideas [deb gilchrist] thanks stephanie, peggy, and marianne - see you next week [Navjit Brar - CPSLO] Thanks for great ideas. [deb gilchrist] ok navjit - thanks [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Steve, and then what do we pick from that link? [Anne Zald] I have done that [deb gilchrist] and there is a link from the workshop site? [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Found it -- thanks, Steve! So, there is not a workshop specific blog, we just post our "assignment" to this public blog? [Cyndy Davis NHCTC] Thank you all - very informative! [deb gilchrist] its just nice to hear your voices [Anne Zald] yes [deb gilchrist] yes [sally gilbert2] yes! [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Nancy, yes [deb gilchrist] hi nancy [Anne Zald] yes nancy go girl [SteveGilbertUpstairs] Yes, Nancy [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Anne, that would be great -- thanks! [SteveGilbertUpstairs] That will be fine. We could put the 9 principles & 5 questions at the "posting" and you can then add "comments" [SteveGilbertUpstairs] Thanks, Melissa, for clarifying the unclarity. [NancySosnaLakeForest] Thank you. [Anne Zald] other questions comments? [Melissa Wong Marymount College] Thanks, all! "See you" next week. [Nikki Julian Marymount College] Thank you! [SteveGilbertUpstairs] Bye, I'm going to sign off from this computer. [NancySosnaLakeForest] bye [Carolyn Vickrey] Thanks all; see you next week! [sally gilbert2] okeydokey! bye